PISSED OFF!!!!!

[Zerored]

http://www.itt-tech.edu/campus/courses.cfm?prog_id=1905
I CANNOT believe these fools are gonna suck another 30 grand from a non-accredited college and put a face like security on it! I am so pissed! see, for those of you who dont know, im about to graduate from this joke of a school. Why did i go? ignorance. my little stint was also 30 g-notez for 2 years!! what did i learn? Stuff i could have found in a bookstore and the net. Hands on? Hardly. I can do that stuff at home. Can you really teach that? A bachelor degree in information technology. I could teach some of the offered classes. And everyone is jumping on the bandwagon...the internet security bandwagon. And thats the ploy that their using. Their actually trying to say that you can get an "entry level job" in security. Ummm....without experience..how? Thats like an entry level position playing for the Chicago Bullz. Not gonna happen. They lie. Well, the good thing is that theres a link that even i will post on. http://ittsucks.2ya.com/

[Metgod]

Hum. Yeah.. I never thought much of ITT. Anyhow..
Security can't be taught. Simple as that. Not only can it not be taught, attempting to do so will make matters much worse:

*ONE* mistake or *ONE* thing missing, unclear, bias, etc., could bring down the security of an entire network.

There is nothing that can replace experience. If you do not try to break security, including your own.. then you can't protect it. Simple as that.

There will always be at least one thing missing. I can't think of everything... can YOU ? Of course not.


Incompetent 'teachers' such as Carolyn P. Meinel.

Oh, and let's not forget that a lot of people who claim to be superior in security just make claims for financial gain, or to hide the fact that they may be vulnerable or are vulnerable.

Much much more...

Oh, while I'm at it.. some things that never fail to  amuse me:

Some people think it is safe to write down passwds (hah), that passwds are very secure, that words from a dictionary are perfectly fine, that all numbers and *nothing else* are fine, passwds can never be found (want to prove that one ? I know you can't, but you can prove that they *can* be found), that names are secure passwds.. and so on. Security through obscurity at it's finest.

Speaking of that, security through obscurity is a joke regardless of the 'logic' behind it. If there is a problem, it WILL be found (yet people think that it won't be, or even if it is, no one will have the skills or means to exploit it). What is even scarier is some 'admins' know that there is a flaw and an accompanying patch.. and yet.. they still don't do anything. If I was in charge, I would fire that person in 0 seconds (heh) and let every company know what kind of moron the person is.

No audits even after a compromization..

McAfee Anti-Virus is a be all, end all solution, let alone a solution at all. Completely wrong. Don't even get me *STARTED* on this one. I have a couple of stories (basically involving a compromisation that they didn't discover for at least two *years* and another one on false-positives and lack of ability to fix anything).. among other things.

Black ICE Defender is an excellent firewall. Not only is it more of an IDS, it is a piss poor one. Plus the company lies to their customers, ignores things, etc.. (Steve Gibson knows of this one even).

Win9x is secure.

Microsoft are responsible, moral, honest people who are just victims of so, so many crimes.. Same goes with any company.

Hackers are anti-social. Again, don't even get me started on this one !

Same goes for virus writers (although the impression of these folks are even worse).

Security is a one time thing.

Programs and/or hardware can solve all problems.. prevention and recovery. Wrong.

Backup/restore is a waste of time.

Firewalls will prevent everything, including the following:

- DoS and related attacks. I guess this means it'll prevent local DoS attacks too, huh ?
- Break-ins
- Viruses
- Data loss
- As far as I know, some probably think it'll stop pornography
- Will log all attempts of breaches
- Will track people down
- Will prevent things such as mail bombs, spam, etc.
- Crashes
- Hides machines

And the list goes on.. Firewall what ?  

Because there is an attack, someone must be plotting against them, yet all it could be is someone scanned a block of IPs..

Post hoc, ergo procter hoc (after this, therefore because of this)  and related logical fallacies. Attrition for sure experienced law suit threats because they connected to machines AFTER a defacement.

Hypocrisy

One node, program, or anything will protect everything. E.g., if the OS is secure, or the Web server is secure, then that means everything ELSE will also be secure..

Basically anything you can think of that could be used as an excuse after an attack.

In fact, if I posted one thing a week, it could last forever...


Oh, Zero.. please post the post you made on that site you referred to..

Met

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http://ittsucks.2ya.com/  theres that one metty, and, the link to the security stuff for itt tech is there in my previous post also. 30 grand...i dont think so.

[Metgod]

Hehe, alright Zero. I was thinking more along the exact post. I don't know if you posted it under the handle Zerored or not.. regardless... I posted something, mostly defending people who are expressing their own opinions (people have the right to express their beliefs and opinions without getting striked down) and get attacked for stupid reasons (like their English).

Yeah, sometimes I really have too much time on my hands. *grin*

Enjoy,

Met

http://ittsucks.proboards6.com/index.cgi?board=FACULTY&action=display&num=1019535916&start=0

[Zerored]

heheh...you posted...hehehe...naw i havent yet...itt still sucks as far as networking goes. theyre a complete rip..and by the way metty, that was comedy!! hahaha

[Metgod]

hehe..

Yeah I must say I love that post.. was quite fun to write and I even got a response from another person on that board. Once again, my wit strikes another person.. but this person really deserved it after attacking others for their English and such. So I attacked hers. *grin*

I have learned to not be so critical of other's writing in this environment.. That is, a bulliten board. I mean, it's just a post.. people corresponding about different topics. Why does grammar/spelling matter ? Truth is, it really doesn't. It's one thing when you are writing an essay/paper/article but jesus..  it isn't important on a BBS..  Simple as that. I am glad I have learned to tolerate that. It's a good step I think. I mean.. some people are quite smart and they aren't native English speakers. Does that make them bad, or discredit them ? It shouldn't...


Met

[Zerored]

heh...yeah well, i remember when you used to clown people on their grammar back in the excite days, that mess was comedy...hehehe. Metty, the GG...those were the days. We need an idiot to spice things up again***searches for raules email address***

[Metgod]

Yes I remember that. I will be the first to admit it that I was bad in that respect. But I've improved for the good I think. I think it was a friend who had poor English and I thought about it. Well I now typically do not attack others because of grammar and spelling. I do help others though, if they want (one friend does). There are exceptions though, like this Mariella on that board you posted the url to.

She attacked others about their grammar and used poor grammar herself. Hypocrite.

I will say that one person labeled me as 'the grammar goblin'. This guy was horrible with English. He could not spell, write, etc. He just did not get things in general. That means other things besides language. It was some of his beliefs and the way he did things. I was really relentless with him. And one night about four of us in a chan were relentless -- but I was probably the worst. I don't know why.. just how I was. But anyhow, I think I'm done with that for the good. Though there are some people who really need to be told. But, it is not nice to do relentlessly.

Yeah I remember Raule Krip.. heh.. what a goon.. how old is he now.. he was pretty young then... and it showed, not only with his immaturity, but all the stuff he said/did. The thing that hit me on that one was that he tried to damage other's computers in the name of HFX. How dare him.

Anyways, yeah, I enjoyed that post on the board you shared..


Met

[Zerored]

I posted...alot on that board i should say...
Now, what the HELL is THIS?
http://www.intenseschool.com/ggassprohack.asp

Well, looks like everyones jumpin on that there bandwagon.

[wilnix]

I'd actually have fun ripping the classroom apart...be just like the time i had to sit in on a FREE M$ Security Class....stupid instructor didnt know how to forge an email and I had to help him...LOL

Wilnix

[Zerored]

that is sad...hehehe

[wilnix]

Don't get me started on stupid instructors and consultants. I could make a movie out of the experiences I've had with them...

Wilnix